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Thursday, September 22, 2005

When dining in Australia, avoid the seafood

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That's just a note to myself; I'm getting the impression that everything in Australia is somehow lethally poisonous. I was just reading this paper about octopus caught off the northwest coast of Australia (for me, reading about obscure cephalopods combines scientific curiousity, the erotic appeal of the exotic, and a little gustatory anticipation), and I'm looking at the pretty picture and thinking "yum," as I'm sure you all are, too, and then I notice the alarming message: these guys are loaded with saxitoxin. Saxitoxin is a potent alkaloid neurotoxin—it binds to and blocks sodium channels, which means the poison basically kills all axon conduction in your nervous system. A good dose has detectable effects within minutes to hours, causing flaccid paralysis, respiratory failure, and death. It's only occasionally fatal, since recovery is possible if artificial respiration is provided, but still—who wants to visit Australia and end up limp and unconscious with a tube down your throat?

The LD50 is approximately 8 µg/kg, and these octopuses carry about 2500 µg/kg in their tissues. The toxin is widespread, unlike the tetrodotoxin found in blue-ringed octopuses, which is concentrated in their salivary glands. While not as concentrated as is sometimes found in shellfish tainted with saxitoxin produced by dinoflagellates, it's still high enough to be a health risk, especially if the consumer is someone willing to gorge themselves on mass quantities of invertebrate flesh. Like me.

I wonder if Australians imported sheep, rabbits, and cane toads just so there'd be a few animals around who aren't threatening to creep up on them and kill them.


Robertson A, Stirling D, Robillot C, Llewellyn L, Negri A (2004) First report of saxitoxin in octopi. Toxicon 44(7):765-771.


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Comments:
#41417: — 09/23  at  03:01 AM
PZ, one non-poisonous seafood you could try in Australia is Moreton Bay bugs. They are quite tasty.



#41418: — 09/23  at  03:02 AM
Being in the Australian Southwest on the Indian Ocean, we don't get many of those tourist-repellers like Funnelweb Spiders and Koalas.


darkymac, given the fact that the Southwest get nearly no turists compared to the East coast, you must be doing something right. Maybe it's the snakes? Sharks? Redbacks? Wallabies?



#41420: — 09/23  at  03:28 AM
Kristjan Wager
"given the fact that the Southwest get nearly no turists compared to the East coast, you must be doing something right"

shhhhh or they'll all want to be run-away-from to death by the wallabies, snakes and redbacks.
Sharks? Behave like a seal and expect to get tasted perhaps.



#41424: — 09/23  at  06:12 AM
Sharks? Behave like a seal and expect to get tasted perhaps.


Depending on how far south. Around Perth there are a few sharks that don't mind a nice bite of homo sapiens.



#41425: — 09/23  at  06:15 AM
Of course, spiders, snakes, jelly fish and crocodiles kills a lot more people than sharks in Australia, but sharks somehow seems to appeal to our primal fears.



Trackback: Austrialian travel book Tracked on: Jiggle The Handle (199.125.75.51) at 2005 09 23 07:01:55
Reading this post in Pharyngula (one of my favorite blogs), got me to thinking about our trip to Australia and one of the best travel books I've ever read. In a Sunburned Country by Bill Bryson is a very good...



#41433: — 09/23  at  07:51 AM
Perhaps it's clear to everyone else, but in this sentence:


The LD50 is approximately 8 µg/kg, and these octopuses carry about 2500 µg/kg in their tissues.


the first denominator is MY weight in kg, and the second is the weight of the octopus (or part thereof)? So a purely hypothetical 100kg person would have to eat several hundred grams of ocotopus?



#41438: — 09/23  at  09:48 AM
who wants to visit Australia and end up limp and unconscious with a tube down your throat?

Well, if you drink the beer they got there, that's pretty much inevitable anyway.



's avatar #41456: — 09/23  at  11:21 AM
Primal fears?

How about'em braininfesting amoebas in freshwater? Popular all over the world. ( http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic81.htm )

I _prefer_ sharks, they go for muscle tissue. grin



#41459: — 09/23  at  11:33 AM
Mike wrote:
This may seem like a stupid question (and unlike what I tell my students, I know there are some), but how does that octopus live with 2.5 mg/kg neurotoxin in its flesh?

I don't know about the octopus, but logically, there are two possibilities: either it has channels that are resistant to saxitoxin, or it keeps the saxitoxin sequestered from its neurons.

Regarding the first possibility, a single amino acid change in a clam sodium channel confers saxitoxin resistance: Bricelj et al (2005) Nature 434: 763-767.

Sodium channels can also be rendered resistant to tetrodotoxin by relatively simple mutations. The same issue of Nature describes Garter snakes that eat newts. The two species seem to be involved in an evolutionary arms race where the snakes evolve resistance, and the newts evolve ever more potent levels of tetrodotoxin (Geffeney et al, 2005, Nature 434:759-762)



#41463: — 09/23  at  11:39 AM
Sorry if this is a duplicate. It vanished when I tried to preview.

This may seem like a stupid question (and unlike what I tell my students, I know there are some), but how does that octopus live with 2.5 mg/kg neurotoxin in its flesh? Does it have weird and unique sodium channels?

Two possibilities:

1. The octopus may keep the saxitoxin sequestered away from its neurons. In pufferfish, the tetrodotoxin is concentrated in the liver, IIRC, so the rest of the fish is OK to eat.

2. The octopus may have saxitoxin resistant neurons. The April 7 2005 issue of Nature has two relevant articles. The first, (Geffeney et al, Nature 434:759) describes an evolutionary arms race between newts and garter snakes, where the newts evolve ever more potent levels of tetrodotoxin, while the snakes that eat them evolve resistant channels. The next article (Bricelj et al, Nature 434:763)describes a single amino acid substitution that renders the sodium channels of softshell clams resistant to saxitoxin.



Trackback: death by octopus Tracked on: limon :: by Laura Lemay (66.33.213.101) at 2005 09 23 14:47:33
Yes, its yet another evil octopus post. I cheerfully admit I have kind of a thing for the cephalopods. (please do not be sending me the tentacle porn URLs. Its not THAT kind of a thing). From Pharyngula comes report of an incredibly poisonous octopus in Australia. This is not so surprising, given that it is Australia (I once saw...



#41486: John Emerson — 09/23  at  03:59 PM
Frat boys do not have the immunity to newt venom, at least when they're drunk. A guy in Oregon won his bet, but died.



#41488: donna — 09/23  at  04:26 PM
Actually, poisonous things do tend to make me more likely to fall for intelligent design. If you're dumb enough to eat it... but then, there is always the line "Think of it as evolution in Action" from Niven.

Bring back the sabre toothed tigers!

I'm also in favor of all 16 yo males being given a large motorcycle and a stretch of straight road ending in a large cliff...

And my keyword is - progeny! Hope my own are smart enough not to ride the motorcycle too fast...



#41493: beche-la-mer — 09/23  at  05:54 PM
I went to the NSW Fire Brigades Annual Ball last night, on Sydney Harbour. Guess what was on the dinner menu? Octopus, looking surprisingly like the ones in the picture. I did feel a state of flaccid paralysis coming on at the end of the evening, but that may have had more to do with the champagne than the saxitoxin.

Oh, and the octopus was delicious.



#41498: — 09/23  at  09:24 PM
John Emerson wrote "Good pufferfish chefs know exactly how to prepare the fish to give you enough, but not too much, toxin."

I have on occasion wondered (a) who puffer fish chefs practice on in order to get good at it;

Maybe they test it on convicts? You know, if you make it to 20 pieces of fugu sashimi, you get a reduced sentence.



#41503: Xavier — 09/23  at  11:10 PM
Come to New Zealand instead! All the beautiful seafood of Australia, without the subsequent death.



#41508: antonio — 09/24  at  02:13 AM
Next time I am not going anywhere near seafood.
antonio



#41510: — 09/24  at  03:45 AM
Come to New Zealand instead! All the beautiful seafood of Australia, without the subsequent death.


But the sheep... the sheep! They'll haunt you in your nightmares for years after.



#41511: Xavier — 09/24  at  04:41 AM
Hmmm....True, but I've heard tell fromgood sources that the sheep:human ratio is steadily declining. That's right...people are making a comeback! Woohoo!



#41519: UrsulaV — 09/24  at  07:33 AM
My husband refuses to consider vacationing in Australia for just that reason--it's all poisonous or vicious. My attempts to point out that the noble wombat is non-toxic and only somewhat grumpy was countered by the fact that they're really hard on cars, and he doesn't trust any of the really cute things not to be packing knives. Learning of the poison spurs on the platypus was evidentally the last straw.

I'll wear him down eventually...



#41523: — 09/24  at  08:45 AM
I've travelled in Australia several times, and the only time I've been close to any poisonous animals were when I nearly stepped on a highly toxious snake - I was lucky, and looked down at the right moment. The snake just ignored me, and continued on it's route.

Ursula, you can tell your husband that wombats aren't that bad to the cars - they are all equiped with a roo-bar, and that keeps the wombat from damaging the car too much.
In regards to animals packing knives - well, the pouch gotta be good for something.



#41529: The Countess — 09/24  at  12:11 PM
PZ, I read your post, then saw this article, and I thought of you.

An Australian surfer survived a shark attack by repeatedly punching a small shark he first thought was a seal, the second incident of its kind this month, local radio reported on Saturday.

Heh heh. Everything in Australia IS dangerous. And you can beat up sharks Down Under. ;)



#44351: Jay Donald Mann — 10/18  at  01:25 AM
There are a couple of good anecdotes regarding saxitoxin and TTX poisoning in my book, "How to Poison Your Spouse the Natural Way". Check my website http://www.saferfoods.co.nz



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