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Thursday, December 01, 2005

Who the heck is Bob Beckel?

USA Today published an absolutely appalling piece of dreck today, an exercise in Christian apologetics for Intelligent Design creationism by the odious Cal Thomas and some non-entity named Bob Beckel. Beckel is billed as a "liberal Democratic strategist", but his sole claim to fame seems to be this series of articles with Cal Thomas called "Common Ground", in which his job seems to be to make Thomas look rational, intelligent, and reasonable…a kind of Alan Colmes without the charisma and good looks. These dialogs look more like Thomas chatting with a limp wimp of a pseudo-liberal who sets up a few lines for the old crank conservative.

Here's Bob's opening paragraph, a collection of creationist nonsense that only demonstrates that a Democrat can be an idiot, too.

Bob: Cal, I'm going to stray from the consensus liberal line on the issue of intelligent design. The Dover, Pa., school board had a good reason to allow the teaching of intelligent design as a scientific alternative to Darwinism in the school system's science classes. Despite the overwhelming consensus of the scientific community that evolution is the sole explanation for all living things, these scientists have yet to prove the theory conclusively. Not only are there still gaping holes in the evolutionary chain from single cells to man, the science crowd hasn't come close to explaining why only man among all living things has a conscience, a moral framework and a free will.

  • This is not the "liberal line", as much as I wish it were so. This is the scientist's line, and scientists can be conservative.
  • The Dover school board did not have "good reason". They were looking for equal time for creationism, a religious belief.
  • ID is not a "scientific alternative". There is no science to it! In good science teaching, our goal is to explain how we've reached our conclusions; this can't be done for ID. There is no foundation of observation and experiment to support their claim of design.
  • We don't teach "Darwinism"! It's a giveaway that you're dealing with a creationist when they start prattling away about "Darwinism".
  • "overwhelming consensus of the scientific community"…doesn't that say something to you? Shouldn't you ask yourself, "Who am I, Bob Beckelis, liberal Democratic strategist of whom no one has ever heard, to argue about biology with professional biologists?"
  • Grrrrr. Anyone who says "scientists have yet to prove the theory conclusively" as an argument against any theory has just demonstrated their stupidity conclusively. We ought to just smack 'em down hard and tell them to shut up until they learn some grade-school science. No theory is ever proven.
  • Beckelis has bought into the no transitional fossils argument with his claim that "there still gaping holes in the evolutionary chain from single cells to man".
  • He thinks science fails to explain "why only man among all living things has a conscience, a moral framework and a free will". I'd like to see his evidence that only man has these things, and his demonstration that he has free will. None of these are scientific issues in the first place, but I don't see that his premise is sound. I also don't think that incompleteness is a problem (his claim that science pretends to have the "sole explanation" is bogus), and I don't see that ID explains any of those things, either. "Nebulous undefined superpowerful designer did it" is not an explanation.

This is not an auspicious beginning. Practically every phrase is stock creationism 101; it's complete garbage from end to end, the tedious parroting of anti-scientific statements about science from someone who knows no science. I'm going to die of exhaustion if I have to plow through this entire inane back-and-forth between Bob and Cal, since almost every word is wrong. Just to be fair, though, here's Cal's first reply.

Cal: What I find curious about this debate, not only in Pennsylvania, but in Kansas and throughout the country, is that so many scientists and educators are behaving like fundamentalist secularists. Only they will define science. They alone will decide which scientific theories and information will be taught to students. That sounds like mind control to me, Bob. If their science is so strong on the issue of origins, why not let the arguments supporting intelligent design into the classroom where it can be debunked if it can't be defended? You liberals are always accusing us conservatives of censorship. It sounds like your side has picked up the disease on this one.

  • We're not "fundamentalist secularists". There's something deeply wrong with someone who misapplies that term; they have to be completely unaware of what fundamentalism means. Strangely, though, they sling "fundamentalist" as an insult to everyone but fundamentalists, who they like.
  • What a curious statement: "Only they will define science." Who is "they"? Why, they are scientists. This is somehow objectionable, that the people who do something professionally are in some way the least capable of explaining what they do; we're supposed to get that from political pundits and plumbers, apparently.
  • So, "which scientific theories and information" should be taught to students? Any old thing that the local ragpicker or clergyman decides belongs there? Or should there be some process to determine what is best supported by the evidence, and prioritize that as the best concept that belongs in the curriculum? This isn't "mind control", and it's not as if creationism isn't widely available—it's simply deciding that our kids should be taught the best science, not the worst.
  • "why not let the arguments supporting intelligent design into the classroom where it can be debunked"? Done. This is particularly disingenuous of Thomas, though: we all know that the ID crowd aren't clamoring for us to debunk their notions. They want their nonsense taught as valid, legitimate science. Does he seriously believe the Discovery Institute would be satisfied if we spent ten minutes every semester explaining irreducible complexity and why it is worthless and false? Of course not. And why should we have to waste time on it anyway? Are we also expected to lecture on why astrology doesn't work, why monkeys don't fall out of the sky when it rains, and blustafurp the bragnizzle of the sploidy-sploidy-ptang-freep? We don't teach any old babbling baloney that comes along, you know.

The column goes on and on in this way, and I'm not going to try to dissect the whole thing…but trust me, the rest is just as wrong-headed as the start. I've got to include the conclusion, though, for sheer amazing dumb-assery.

Bob: That's a start. The scientific community has gone out of its way to depict intelligent design as a religious view. Most people have no idea that serious scientists believe there is a strong case for intelligent design. These scientists have been denied a forum, and a series of public debates would be educational and give the intelligent design researchers a chance to tell their side.

Intelligent Design is a religious view. It sure doesn't have any scientific support, and there is no evidence to give people a reason to believe any of it. The claim that there are serious scientists believing in creationism is irrelevant; there are very few of them, they are rarely in a relevant field, and they do not have the evidence to convince other scientists. Nor are there any honest "intelligent design researchers" to debate—nobody is doing research on intelligent design!

I'd like to know why it is that conservative wingnuts seem to like to do these duets with ineffectual lightweights that they label "liberal". Their audiences would have to consist solely of clueless lackwits to fall for the claim that faint-hearted suckups like Beckelis are at all representative of liberal thought…oh. I guess maybe I do understand, after all.

If only their fans knew how profoundly they were being insulted by their heroes…


Name corrected; it seems to be a typo at USA Today that is propagated through every one of the Beckel/Thomas columns. Bob Beckel seems to be a Fox News drone of some sort.


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Comments:
#51519: — 12/01  at  02:58 PM
It's Bob Beckel, not Bob Beckelis. If you don't recongnize his face, you are to be commended for being less of a television news junkie than those of us who do.



#51520: Ereshkigal — 12/01  at  03:02 PM
He thinks science fails to explain "why only man among all living things has a conscience, a moral framework and a free will".

He has no free will-- he's a puppet! USA Today did not show the full-length picture of Cal Thomas with "Bob" on his knee because... well, full-length pictures of Cal Thomas don't sell papers.

Our first clue that Thomas is practicing ventriloquism? The line, "Cal, I'm going to stray from the consensus liberal line on the issue of intelligent design."

Only a winger with enough mass resting on his leg to keep his knee from jerking could say such a thing.



#51521: Paul Decelles — 12/01  at  03:06 PM
It takes a lot of work to make Cal Thomas look intelligent. Actually my impression of Cal Thomas is that he probably is intelligent, but he is perhaps a huckster or maybe a cynical hipster who has latched on to a set of "conservative" ideas simply because he thrives on controversy. This sort of person is all over the political spectrum. We have similar types here in Kansas involved in the ID movement. But of course I won't mention any names but we see them pontificating about how bad Paul Mirecki is because of some disparing remarks he allegedly made about Christians.

Paul



#51523: — 12/01  at  03:14 PM
Googling this Beckelis person, he seems to Cal Thomas's regular ventriloquist's dummy. Some kind of low rent Abbot and Costello, but minus the humor.

As for calling Beckelis a 'liberal', I've been noticing for a while now that this seems to be a trend in journalism, that of the 'phony liberal'. Some doofus is hauled out with the title of 'liberal democrat', then he proceeds to spout ordinary center-right GOP talking points. I think this serves two purposes: it can enable certain newspapers to claim they're giving equal time to 'all points of view', and two, I think it's part of a strategy to redefine political terminology. The GOP wants to shift the scale used to classify political thought rightward, such that hardcore rightwing extremists are reclassified as 'mainstream conservatives', and what once might have been called 'moderate republicans' are reclassified as 'liberals'. This has the effect of ostracizing moderate republicans, legitimizing people who would have been seen as rightwing lunatics a mere 10 years ago, and of course, shoving true liberals/progressives (and most Democrats) completely off the scale as 'left wing extremists'.

We probably can't expect much more from a newspaper that's given away for free in hotels and MacDonald's.



#51524: — 12/01  at  03:15 PM
I must have missed the point when the "liberal Democratic strategy" became to agree with everything the right wing says.

Wait, no I didn't.



#51527: Kristine Harley — 12/01  at  03:17 PM
I just finished a grueling, 63-page transcription of a series of lectures given by one of our docents at the museum, and guess what? There are "gaps" in our histories of the ancient Greeks and Romans, and there are various controversies as to whether this or that Hellenistic statue really depicts a muse, or a menad, etc. Yet you don't see parents storming the PTA meeting about what to teach the kids about whether or not the Egyptians used painted funerary masks as did the Greeks and Romans in Egypt after the time of Alexander the Great.

However, there is little evidence at all for the so-called Exodus! Not only has it never been proven to have happened at all, it's doubtful that the Jews were slaves in Egypt. They were slaves in Babylon, but even after being freed most of them opted to stay in "corrupt, oppressive" Babylon as merchants and artisans, rather than relocate to Judea and be penniless farmers. So much for Zion! They never taught me that in Sunday school.

Hey--teach the controversy, Cal Thomas. If you're not a brainwasher, why are you afraid to examine the Exodus? Let's get all out "gaps" out on the table.



#51529: — 12/01  at  03:19 PM
Well, this part is pretty good (except the good science debate part):
Bob: One reason is that your side insists on making this debate about religion. I believe there is a good science debate here. Many people believe that the Christian community is using intelligent design as a backdoor for teaching creationism. If not, this issue would not be in the federal courts in a constitutional argument over separation of church and state. But there are a number of serious scientists who believe in intelligent design as a theory of evolution based on scientific argument.


But then I read this:
Bob: ... The scientists who view intelligent design as a science, not a dogma, believe that the smallest building blocks of life are so complex that they couldn't simply evolve from amoebas. That's about as far as I can go in my understanding of all this.


Well, his understanding doesn't go as far as he thinks it does...



#51530: — 12/01  at  03:22 PM
Anyone pinning anything special on human free will is going to be disappointed, because it's an absolute impossibility, from either a theistic or atheistic point of view. The utter failure of Daniel Dennett's book, "Freedom Evolves," to convince me that Cartesian free will is possible, taken with the brilliant expose in Own Flanagan's "The Problem of the Soul" that demonstrates that Cartesian free will is not even DESIREABLE, force me to conclude that anyone who throws around "free will" as a human trait just hasn't studied the idea and is trying to make a knee-jerk sop to theists. It is wholly unwarranted and rather ignorant.



#51531: — 12/01  at  03:23 PM
FWIW, Beckel was Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in the Carter Administration and the National Campaign Manager for Mondale in 1984. Thanks to his skill in the latter role, Mondale was able to scrape together the 4000-vote margin by which he won his home state's 10 electoral votes.



#51534: Rick @ shrimp and grits — 12/01  at  03:29 PM

The scientists who view intelligent design as a science, not a dogma, believe that the smallest building blocks of life are so complex that they couldn't simply evolve from amoebas.


Well, at least that's an area where the intelligent design people and real scientists might agree. I don't know any real scientists who think the smallest building blocks of life evolved from amoebas either.



#51535: — 12/01  at  03:31 PM
The Beckel/Beckelis thing is USA Today's fault. They left out a space after "Beckel"

As far as the Jews not emigrating with Ezra and Nehemiah, it might not have been spelled out by date - dates are rarely used in Sunday School - but Esther, which follows Ezra and Nehemiah, shows pretty clearly that there were Jews all over the Persian empire.



#51542: — 12/01  at  03:56 PM
Fundamentalism (compound n.): Fund (give money) + amentalism (without brains)



#51545: — 12/01  at  04:03 PM
Interestingly, if you google 'Cory Bray', you get 211 hits, perhaps half of them containing his 'I wasn't going to pass that up' line. However, if you google Cory Bray with 'chickenhawk' added to the 'all the words' line, you get 583 hits, ALL of them pertaining to Cory's statement of bravado.

While I don't understand how Google calculates these things (shouldn't the search with more restrictions give a SMALLER number?) it's nice to know Cory now has his name permanently associated with that little bon mot, for when he starts shooting job applications around or when he tries to run for public office.



#51548: — 12/01  at  04:22 PM

"Nebulous undefined superpowerful designer did it" is not an explanation.


Sure it's an explanation, it's just not science. Sorry, couldn't resist the semantic angle.



#51562: Kristine Harley — 12/01  at  05:06 PM
"Fundamentalism (compound n.): Fund (give money) + amentalism (without brains)"

Quoting (approximately) Sarah Vowell: Take away the "fun," take away the "mental," and all that's left is "da."



#51564: — 12/01  at  05:15 PM
[S]o many scientists and educators are behaving like fundamentalist secularists. Only they will define science. They alone will decide which scientific theories and information will be taught to students.

Yep, and you'll have to be baptised with hypertonic saline in a Klein bottle by the High Priest of Darwinism and Relativity before you're allowed to practice any of that "science." (It helps expedite the process if you throw a few mil into the kitty to help buy a new cyclotron for the sacristy, if you know what I mean.) If the priesthood won't let you in, you'll just have to give up dreams of the labcoat and go back to sluicing out chamber pots or writing uninformed op-eds for McPaper.

Or, gosh, Cal, do you mean only those who practice science get to, er, practice science? Somehow that seems less than striking to me.



#51566: — 12/01  at  05:21 PM
I propose we label that field of (lack of) thought "that uses observation, hypothesis testing, measurement, experimentation, logical argument and theory building to lead to [natural or supernatural] explanations of natural phenomena."

How about Thomasism?



#51569: don — 12/01  at  05:35 PM
<blockquote>"...[S]o many scientists and educators are behaving like fundamentalist secularists. Only they will define science. They alone will decide which scientific theories and information will be taught to students. That sounds like mind control to me, Bob."

Hah!

How about this:
"Mechanics and educators alone will decide which internal combustion theories and information will be taught to students in auto shop. That sounds like mind control to me, Bob."

"Art Historians and educators alone will decide which art movements and information will be taught to students in Art History class. That sounds like mind control to me, Bob."

"So many mathematicians and educators will decide which calculus and algebra will be taught to students in Math Class. That sounds like mind control to me, Bob."

Right. I see what he's saying now.

Alternate "theories" that point out the unknowns in all those subjects should be proposed by Christian fundamentalists and debated on the floor of Congress. How can you teach auto shop, art and math without giving full exposure to other supernatural explanations of those subjects?

Look, if those calculus and algebra teachers are so sure of their fancy number ideas why wouldn't they want to expose the children to the alternate numbery ideas developed in group prayer session by fundamentalist Christians with a metaphysical agenda? What are they so afraid of? Hmmm? We all know that the only important numbers are 3, 7, and 40 anyway and it is these very numbers that so-called mathematicians are hiding from the kids because they have Biblical implications.

Mind control, man, mind control.



#51571: Rick @ shrimp and grits — 12/01  at  05:44 PM

How can you teach auto shop, art and math without giving full exposure to other supernatural explanations of those subjects?


How about "Gremlin Theory" for shop? http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue248/books.html

Art? Do aliens create the only true art? TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!
http://www.think-aboutit.com/Crop/crop_circle_pictures.htm



#51602: Prof. Bleen — 12/01  at  09:32 PM
If the Fundies are allowed to define what science is, can we define what religion is? I'd start with the following two commandments:

1. Thou shalt keep thy religion to thyself.
2. Thou cannot serve both God and mammon.

No. 2 has been proclaimed at least once before, but seems to have fallen on deaf ears in today's America.



#51633: — 12/02  at  03:52 AM
Would be funny if it wasn't sad.

The bit about "the evolutionary chain from single cells to man" is the giveaway about how they think. They want something to validate the notion that mankind is the top of the tree and the end of the line, towards which all previous development was directed. They're not thinking about the whole picture.

And "man" is definitely not the only creature with a moral framework - at least if "moral framework" is understood as a conception of right and wrong behaviors. (If "moral framework" is to be understood as "obedience to edicts handed down by supernatural daddy-figure", then count me with the rest of the animals.)



#51656: — 12/02  at  08:53 AM
"blustafurp the bragnizzle of the sploidy-sploidy-ptang-freep..."

It's great to see this finally get some exposure, PZ. I can remember discussing this back as an undergraduate and never felt it had gotten full play by the scientific establishment slash administration. Either that, or we were stoned...



#51681: Keith Douglas — 12/02  at  10:20 AM
tinman: It does sort of sound like Thomism ... Except, of course, for all his faults, Aquinas was a decent reasoner ... these guys aren't even that.



Trackback: Unrelenting Tracked on: The Devil's Robot (216.41.128.2) at 2005 12 02 11:39:21
At Pharyngula, we find the ignorant pontifications of a “Democratic Strategist” who is plumping Intelligent Design. PZ handles the article quite nicely, but I just wanted to point this out.



#51715: No More Mr. Nice Guy! — 12/02  at  12:26 PM
To give Beckel his due, he hands Thomas his ass in this exchange.



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