PZ Myers. 2005 Aug 04. Two carnivals. <http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/two_carnivals/>. Accessed 2008 Nov 20.

Posted on M00o93H7pQ09L8X1t49cHY01Z5j4TT91fGfr on Thursday, August 04, 2005

Two carnivals

You've got your choices: Hogwarts or winged things. Or you can visit them both.

Posted by PZ Myers on 08/04 at 07:19 AM
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  1. Evolution vs. mythology is on the Diane Rehm show right now.


    1-800-433-8850

    The representative of the Baptists is talking over Diane so much there's not a moment's breath for her to ask a question.
    #: Posted by covington  on  08/04  at  08:26 AM
  2. I was disappointed by all the smoke confushion and that was kicked up between abiogenisis and evolution.

    The creationist Richard Land kept offering his creation theory of the origin-of-life as an alternative to Darwinian origin-of-species. It was a head-spinning bait-and-switch.

    (I'll stop now as I've run out of hyphens.)
    #: Posted by  on  08/04  at  09:13 AM
  3. Don't read Pharyngula, then—I use more than my fair share.
    #: Posted by PZ Myers  on  08/04  at  09:15 AM
  4. Make that smoke and confusion.

    Oh, how is it that only the submit button can remove these scales from my eyes?
    #: Posted by  on  08/04  at  09:18 AM
  5. That was the most deeply disappointing DR show I've ever heard. When Land just kept running on and on, I started dreaming of Diane going O'Reilly on him... imagine that sweet, gentle lady finally having enough... "Shut up, you ignorant, lying bastard! Cut his mike before I beat the dogshit out of him."
    #: Posted by covington  on  08/04  at  09:45 AM
  6. an enthusiastic endorsement of the more "aggressive" approach (of course, it's actually defensive - secularists are seldom on the offensive in these matters). certainly, if a "believer" respectfully disagrees with secularism, it's just good judgment and behavior to agree to disagree. but in response to fools peddling lies or even voicing insults like "you can't have values if you aren't a believer", as you suggest it's actually irresponsible not to mercilessly attack the ignorance, arrogance, insensitivity, hypocrisy, etc underlying such drivel.
    #: Posted by  on  08/04  at  10:31 AM